New film-makers...

[SoulJacker]

Hey, Saving Private Ryan is pure entertainment...

[Nigel]

I love experimental film.

There was a point where I thought it was the best way for me to express my feelings and views. I played with home processing of film and what different dyes and chemical would do to the emulsion--H?ll I even soaked film in my urine for a week to see what it would do. So in no why am I making a judgement about DaDaism or exprimental film/video.

What I am saying is that just because you read a book, made a video about a guy getting kicked in the balls and have a good chunk of cash to spend doesn't mean you are a good movie maker.

Good Luck

[miker]

Originally posted by Nigel:
I love experimental film.

There was a point where I thought it was the best way for me to express my feelings and views. I played with home processing of film and what different dyes and chemical would do to the emulsion--H?ll I even soaked film in my urine for a week to see what it would do. So in no why am I making a judgement about DaDaism or exprimental film/video.

What I am saying is that just because you read a book, made a video about a guy getting kicked in the balls and have a good chunk of cash to spend doesn't mean you are a good movie maker.

Good Luck

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">But if Andy Warhol had made a a video about a guy getting kicked in the balls would it have been any better?

I get your point though.

I think it just comes down to being true to yourself. That's why I personally hate all the back-slapping that goes on in low/no-budget circles. Rarely is the film subject to a wider critique than peer review. And if your peers value working with you again rarely will you hear a bad word.

Taking criticism of your work is another important part of the learning process.

I dare say that the maker of a vanity film would not take kindly to negative criticism.

[Alex]

Originally posted by belovedmonster:
yes becos continuity and editing between shots is totaly different to composition and lighting and the other things you can learn from shooting... thats why you have people who are called editors and people who are called DPs.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Your point sounds logical but after editing other peoples stuff for 10 years I would disagree. (no, not features, but everything from straight to video release to photo montages,).

I think you would learn more by editing other peoples visions than shooting your own stuff but never editing it.

[miker]

Originally posted by belovedmonster:
yes becos continuity and editing between shots is totaly different to composition and lighting and the other things you can learn from shooting... thats why you have people who are called editors and people who are called DPs.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">s'funny, in my opinion lighting continuity is by far the most important to keep a grip on. Any other continuity error is easy to hide in the rhythm of the edit.

[GREATwarEAGLE]

H?ll I even soaked film in my urine for a week to see what it would do.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">After how many [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img] s? [img]wink.gif[/img]

[Alex]

when you say "pure entertainment", does that mean it was only entertainment and nothing more?

[Brainmuncher]

originally posted by alex

when you say "pure entertainment", does that mean it was only entertainment and nothing more?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How can art be more than entertainment?
Art is merely for the purpose of escapism- whether it's immersing out selves in thought's on something, trying to understand the charachter's, or learning- it's all about amusing ourselves and forgetting about big problem's.

[The Cavity]

...and if there is no moral debate in the tale, what is the point?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is an excellent point. However, Saving Private Ryan does not have any sort of moral debate; the moral is that "war is bad" and that's it. Well, duh.

[miker]

Originally posted by The Cavity:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">...and if there is no moral debate in the tale, what is the point?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is an excellent point. However, Saving Private Ryan does not have any sort of moral debate; the moral is that "war is bad" and that's it. Well, duh.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bad, and necessary in the face of great adversity. The ultimate sacrifice should not be flippantly cashed in - and, yet, so often it is.